Oddly Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Edit: I didn't realize that there were people who had a fairly up-to-date version of the database, I'm changing the plan to just sanitize one of these copies for release. No need to buy the site when we already have a DB clone. Old post:  So, i know you guys have pretty much all seen that eclipse was up for sale.  I came to thinking that preserving the database on eclipse for public use could prove to be important, incase anyone still uses that hunk-of-junk engine. Obviously anyone who pays more than 100$ for the site is just flat out stupid so... I got to thinking, Let's just make a small money pool together and buy it. 50$ from me, 50$ from another user or two, so on and so on.  The domains can go to ascension, and we can even use the database for an email campaign to get this place booming again. Whoever the person to claim the site data is, I think it's important to scrub personal information from the db before releasing it.  Anyone up to try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Jc's gonna get mad at you for flaming at other sites xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddly Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 im not flaming the site, im talking about releasing the database and helping ascension out where it's cheaper for us. Kibbelz and hra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 @Crest Either way this is hot ground I'm not gonna step on unless I get the shoes of Ok from damian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddly Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 it's not hot ground... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 lel I'm just playing it safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 It's not worth anything. None of it is. Not the emails, not the domain. Just let it die. We need to just leave it be and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Chief If someone good buys it I will be excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Nobody that's "good" wants to buy it. I just want it to die; we're just prolonging its death at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 meh I will wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I'm going to be amazed if someone good would buy Eclipse. Virtually all of Eclipse is worthless, and the thing that is worth the most, but virtually worthless is the email list. Quite frankly there are a vast swarms of wholly incompetent people, shitty people, bots, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there's a dead person or two on that mailing list, so really there isn't a point in using it when almost all of the good people have explicitly walked away with intention to never return in any meaningful capacity. What any game development community needs now is, like everyone has said for a while now, new and interested talent, and a new source base that is not in Visual Basic anything, and Intersect is the closest to being there, but from what I've seen with a decompiler, Intersect has the same pitfall of Eclipse Origins and its predecessors, a core structural design that's now nearly 17 years old. Basically, the mailing list is virtually worthless, the data more so, so what reason do we have to keep it around? Sure, redirect the domains to here, or even to the Mana Source project websites (which has arguably been a superior and from what I am aware independently formed sibling for years now), but other than the domains we don't need what's left. Using or trying to use the rest is like eating crumbs in a sandwich shop to prevent your inevitable starvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddly Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 The data for people who still want to use the /dead/ engine. Â It's a directory of support and stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 If Microsoft can't be assed to have public support in the form of documentation and what not for VB6 (and people still want to use VB6), why in the hell are we going to waste time and money to preserve information that is objectively of significantly less worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddly Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Do you know how many people still go back to developing on old systems and old languages that are no longer supported for the hell of it? It's like saying we were stupid to preserve any information about any outdated software simply because "it's not widely used". Data preservation, weather the community is shit or not, can always find a way to be useful. I have information from a preserved database about the hexidecimal codes for each individual assembly call on the original gameboy. It's out dated by over 3 decades now, doesn't mean I won't use it. It's like the wayback machine. Just because it's not important to you, doesn't mean it won't be important to another user later. Â edit: Preserving that database isn't just preserving eclipse origin's shitty "HELP ME DO A SPRITE" thing. It also has support threads and even code from the original mirage game engine that eclipse was derived from all over it. It's important to preserve software, and the assistance and data the came with it. There are sitll database clones for the original GunZ the Duel floating around the private server fanatic's segment of the web. That game has been dead for YEARS. Hell, if I had the time. I'd have a field day with Eclipse Evolution or Eclipse Stable, just for shits and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibbelz Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I'm pretty sure the database would contain a lot of users who moved on because of how primitive eclipse was. Perhaps they may be willing to come back now that Intersect is a thing. Who knows, i'm not taking any sides just throwing out an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Kibbelz You are on the buy the site for the database side just say it m9 and also before you think of it eclipse's passwords are salted (probably maybe not xD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibbelz Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, PhenomenalDev said: @Kibbelz You are on the buy the site for the database side just say it m9 and also before you think of it eclipse's passwords are salted (probably maybe not xD) I'm pretty aware of this. I did used to manage the forums there at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Kibbelz Should've pulled a fast one and saved those emails boii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibbelz Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 We have copies lol, however we've been respectful until now. If eclipse dies we will probably use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Hell, even I have a copy, lol Kibbelz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Kibbelz Ok that's cool I didn't even realise you were on eclipse until this convo @Chief You have a copy. The people on that list are fucked. Also wasn't there someone called Yuko or something that did actually steal the eclipse servers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddly Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 How do you all have copies of this thing?! Chief send a copy to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I only have the users table from when we were going to port users into the new site. I don't have posts or any other content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomenal Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Chief Can you maybe shoot me a pm with it anyway just for something to look at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 No Oddly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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